Oh yeah I also forgot to mention that the US Attorney General has just called off all further investigation as it has found through all of it's extensive work NO WRONG DOING on any part of ITT's business !!!!!
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Posted: 24 June 2005 at 2:39pm | IP Logged
I don't know anything about ITT but I have several degrees and I have also taken classes at a "tech school" some years back. You can walk around any institution of higher learning and can almost pick out people who you know have a very low chance of being successful in their first job search. "Tech schools" seem to have an even greater problem placing students because entrance into the programs are very easy and loans are readily available to students. The tech school that I attended was full of individuals who were looking for a quick way to jumpstart a career that may or may not have been really cut out for IT. Some tried hard but were never successful because the hiring process involves many factors other then a piece of paper you may have obtained from a college or tech school. I hope that ITT isn't stretching the truth about career possibilities but everyone should know that there are very few shortcuts to success in any career field. I have worked in and out of IT for 10 years and have yet to get $80000 a year for my work.
I am ITT graduate; I received an A.S. Electronics Engineering Technology from Tampa, FL, June 97 (G.P.A 3.4) and B.S. Telecommunications Engineering Technology from Hayward, CA Sept 01 (G.P.A. 3.7). I have also attended a quite of few courses at a community college and state university. I am currently half way through my degree for a M.S. in IT Project Management and Leadership.
I have had positive experience at both ITT Institutes. What you put in at this school is what you get out regarding education. I have seen the issues about cheating and teachers giving reviews the day before the final; the reviews being exactly the answers on the test. This is not true with all teachers. I have seen this at the community college level too.
A lot of the instructors due look the other way when students are cheating on an exam or copying assignment. The student is only cheating himself or herself. I tried explain this to some of my classmates, what are you going to do in an interview, when they ask you some type of technical question or ask you to take a test. I have always studied the material ITT provided and not to rely on the instructor review to pass a test or quiz. Since a lot of the instructors look the other way when cheating, you are going to see individuals graduate with high G.P.A’s and have no knowledge of the subject matter. These individuals that are cheating are just setting themselves up for failure in the job market. The instructor and students are making ITT’s reputation look bad for the rest of us that actually go there to learn.
I believe the individuals that rely on cutting the corners/cheating are majority of the ones complaining about ITT, how ITT could not find them a job.
I have never had any issues finding a job in the Electronics or IT field. Usually in the Electronics filed, the employer usually provides an Electronics Aptitude Test. I have never had an issue passing any exam.
Both ITT Institutes did help me find a job. While pursuing my A.S. EET, ITT did help me get a job as a RF tech ($8.50 hr.). After completing my degree, I decided to move San Jose, CA for all the high tech job opportunities. ITT San Jose job placements assisted me to find a job as RF Tech working on microwave frequency thin film amplifiers for $16 hr. I then did some company hoping to increase my salary maxing out $21 hr. as an Electronic Manufacturing Technician. Due to our office being a small branch office, I was given the opportunity to be trained to backup the system admin for IT support. I took some classes at the community college for A+, NT workstation, NT Server, and Novell. After that, I fell in love with IT and Telecommunications.
After getting a couple years under my belt, I left and found a job as Technical Support Engineer I ($55K salary per year), supporting routers, channel-banks, MUX, frame-relay switches, and DACS. I decided to go back to ITT Hayward for a B.S in TCT program. Once I completed my degree, my company promoted me to a level 2 Technical Support Engineer, increasing my salary to $63K salary per year plus stock options.
ITT does kind of give false advertisement about salary ranges. The reason why I say “kind of”, because it maybe one student that did graduate with a high salary range of $60K+, but they do not tell how much experience they have or their other qualifications. They only focus on that one student one when selling, not the average with no experiences.
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Posted: 24 June 2005 at 11:47pm | IP Logged
mr truth,
I can't give my email address. My co-worker lives in Portland Or.
He still makes $10 to $11 dollars an hour at his old job
after ITT TECH degree.
He is a hard working guy and would love to earn more with his degree but I don't see anything happening for him.
When I went to ITT TECH Addmissions office, I just went to talk to them about their education. That is when I was told about 80k a year wages. Very Smart way to target POOR students. I was suppose to go back with my parents to sign the papers, but I never did.
Why ITT TECH has money in Stock Market (under ESI symbol)?
Why ITT TECH is not accredited regionally so that states colleges can take their credits?
What was the main reason the Feds had to investigate ITT TECH colleges everywhere, even in OREGON?
2. Have they had any job interviews, since graduating from ITT?
3. If he or she has had any interviews, but did not get the job? You co-worker needs to analyze what areas he or she is weakin and why they are not getting the job.
4. If he is not getting any interviews, he or she needs to relook at their resume and most likely change their formatt because it is not doing the job.
5. I not sure what the job market is in your area or what is hot? Your Co-work needs to analyze the jobs boards to see what hot and what is not in your area. He or she may need to do some self studying and achieve some certs.
In 2002, when seaarching for jobs, I noticed Washington DC area was doing good in the job market. The market was doing good because of all government contracts for DoD and DHS, but you need to be either prior military or have a clearance. I did my research, I joined the US Coast Guard to get the requirements. The degree alone will not get you interview or a high paying job, it is your whole package.
When I graduated from high school, I was one of the targets for the high paying jobs scam (at that time it was $30-40K in Tampa,Fl Area 1995, which was good). It is very smart way to target poor students or high school students? After realizing, there were a few students making that, but they were adults with a lot of exprience and qualifications. You need to start at the bottom, once you get a couple years expriences you need to start company hoping. It took me 5 yrs with certs and continue education to achieve that $63K I posted above. Now I am making half that because I am in the military, but I received some much training and exprience that it has been worth it. I have only one more year to finish up my 3 yr obligation.
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Posted: 25 June 2005 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
dc_40
or mrtruth
no, my co worker doesn’t have any certification. But I know he has a GPA of 3.9 to 4.0.
Funny thing is that my co worker didn’t know what is MCSC or Cisco, or A+ certification is, and he was a student at ITT TECH studying Networking. I guess at ITT TECH, they don’t do certification test.
Yes, he went to job interview, but someone with more experience was hired, and no he has no military experience.
So are you saying, there should be some military experience with ITT TECH Degree to land a good job?
I know another ITT TECH graduate works at Burger King. Now how does the 80 thousand a year salary apply to him, can an ITT TECH admission answer this.
I just want to know what is the fact, how does all this work.
rrwin,
I can not comment on the networking curriculum, because I took the electronics and telecom curriculum.
I do not know your co-workers study habits, but like I stated what you put in is what you get out regarding education at ITT. Since teachers look the otherway when students cheat, you are going to see students with high G.P.A.'s but do not know the subject matter(same concept as using braindumps to pass certs). I had quite a few in my class.
rrwin wrote:
dc_40
or mrtruth
no he has no military experience.
So are you saying, there should be some military experience with ITT TECH Degree to land a good job?
I am not saying you need military experiences, I did not even ask if he did or suggest he needs military experience. Prior to the military I worked as RF tech, Test Technician, Electronic Manufacturing Technician, Desktop support, Technical Support Engineer, and NOC Tech.
I WANTED TO MOVE INTO THE GOVERNMENT SECTOR in 2002 (specifically the Project Management field), but most jobs in the DC Area required prior military or a clearances. I decided the best way to achieves this was to join the military. I am not saying this is the track your co-worker should take. This was track I decided to take to achieve my goals.
Again, prior to the military I had plenty of job opportunities. Even when I joined the military, I was working as a NOC tech for Nextel. I did not join because I was unemployed. I have also been working in the field since 1996 and have multiple certifications. My resume focuses more on my work experience than my education. Like I stated in the other post it is your entire package: education, certs, soft skills, experience, etc… to be able to receive high paying salary.
I know individuals in the San Jose, CA area with no degree making more than I did, $75K+. They were extremely good at what they did and had 8-10 years experience plus certs.
I do keep in touch with couple of my ITT classmates; one is Sales Account Manager for Electronics 8 yrs experiences (avgs. $70K depending on the number of sales in Tampa, FL) and the other is System Engineer working with medical equipment 6yrs experiences ( $60K salary Hayward, CA)
I can not tell you how much your going to make with no exprience, but it is going to be most likely low figures. When I started as RF tech in San Jose, CA area with one year experience I was making $16 hour, after getting some experience, I start jumping around to different companies to increasing my salary; again this was around the dot com boom, so jobs were easy to come by.
rrwin wrote:
I know another ITT TECH graduate works at Burger King. Now how does the 80 thousand a year salary apply to him, can an ITT TECH admission answer this.
I guest you did not read my other post. ITT does kind of give false advertisement. A person could have graduate from the course $80K, but they do not tell you how much exprience or qualifactions the individual had. When I graduated with my B.S. I was making $63K. My school is not lying to future students when they say we have ITT graduate making $63K. The student should be asking what other qualifactions or exprience did that student have to be able make $63K. I do not think this is right, they should be telling you what average salary is for students with no experience. I was caught on this scam when I did my A.S. degree back in 95.
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Posted: 25 June 2005 at 6:06pm | IP Logged
rrwin wrote:
Funny thing is that my co worker didn’t know what is MCSC is, and he was a student at ITT TECH studying Networking.
MCSC? I've been studying networking a long time and don't think I've ever heard of that cert
Found a very interesting article that somewhat relates to all the bitching and moaning going on in this thread (and among counterclaims to the contrary).
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Posted: 25 June 2005 at 9:37pm | IP Logged
Wildcat_Dude wrote:
rrwin wrote:
Funny thing is that my co worker didn’t know what is MCSC is, and he was a student at ITT TECH studying Networking.
MCSC? I've been studying networking a long time and don't think I've ever heard of that cert
I'm sorry my bad I meant MCSE. I'm not in networking.
Found a very interesting article that somewhat relates to all the bitching and moaning going on in this thread (and among counterclaims to the contrary).
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